I have a nearly new Orbea Occam m-Ltd almost 2020. It is a big one. I've had it just for 2 weeks. No shipwreck. I'm a cc rider who thought about getting into a little more downhill and gravity but is just not my thing. I have upgraded it with a 2020 fox move 175 dropper, all mountain frame stickers, Crank protectors and one up platform pedals. Over $9000 invested but will sell it for $7500 for quick sale.